Have you ever met somebody whose positive energy is contagious? Someone who simultaneously makes you want to love yourself for who you are, and strive to be a better person, just by being themselves? We all have those people in our lives, whether it be a parent, a significant other, or a close friend. However, there is something truly remarkable about an individual who has the ability to affect a group of strangers in that same capacity.
In just sixty minutes, Davey Muise accomplished all of the above as he addressed an auditorium of students and teachers at Josten’s Renaissance National Conference last week. Other than when he made them laugh, the audience remained dead silent as Davey recounted the events of his life that led him to where he is today. In the hours following his appearance, countless students and teachers took to social media to publicly thank him and share how they had been affected by his words.
For those of you already familiar with him, you know exactly what I mean. For those of you who are new to Davey, please allow us to introduce you to his mission and message. Today, he is known as the vocalist of Vanna (RIP) and Trove, a youth outreach speaker, and the founder of Shovel Brand, a one-to-one organization that helps clothe homeless teens. He was kind enough to share some of his time with SwitchBitch Noise to discuss mental health, his secret to staying so positive, and what projects lie ahead in his future. If you haven’t heard his story, we encourage you to watch the short video clip below before reading our interview, and if any of his words resonate with you, we also encourage you to pass it along to someone else.
SBN: So we’re here today to discuss your non-profit organization Shovel Brand and how it relates to mental health, as well as your band Trove. Your new vlog “My Actual Dude” gives your followers a glimpse into all of the above, and it seems to have gotten a really positive response so far. Can you tell us a little bit about how the idea came together and what you hope to accomplish with it?
Davey Muise: Yeah, yeah! So, umm, looking back on my career, looking back at all the years I’ve been on the road and all of the stuff I’ve done, [I’ve realized that] I’m very, very guilty of, “Why didn’t I take the opportunity to do certain things, right?” So this year I started learning how to play the guitar after being in a band since I was thirteen years old. I was like, “Okay, I’ve been around guitar players my whole life, why don’t I start doing this?” I really loved photography when I was in middle school, but I couldn’t afford it. And I’m around all these people that do great media and photography. We’ve had a photographer on every tour that I’ve been on. Mike Smith, who is like the guru of all this kind of stuff and he’s my mentor and one of my best friends, he has a whole film crew who goes with him everywhere he goes. And I’m always like, man, those videos are awesome! I wanna show the world what I’m doing. Not only do I want to show the world what I’m doing, but I know so many people from touring in bands doing amazing things that I want to show that. So Mike one day was like, “Just do it! Learn how to film, learn how to shoot, buy a camera, and do it! What’s your excuse?” And I was like, “I tell kids all day ‘don’t make excuses for things you want to do.’” So I went out, I got a camera, and I sat down for over a hundred hours of tutorials. The guitarist of Trove is a vlogger, and I got all this advice and everything. There’s no better way to do something than to just do it. So I just started doing it, and I kinda developed my own style [by] watching YouTubers. Now I get the chance to show myself and show the things I do. For instance, I’ve been here for a couple of days, but I’ve been walking around with my camera and no one’s paid attention to me and no one’s stopped me to say hello because they just assumed I was working. Which is awesome because in a life that’s very public, it gives me the chance to kind of be not seen and get to show other things. I’m having so much fun doing it. I don’t know if you can tell but I’m having a blast doing it! Umm, my car was stolen a week ago and all my camera gear got stolen out of the car, so I bought all new gear again. I was just was like, I gotta do this. Luckily, we had people do benefits for us and donate to us. So I got my camera back, and I got to film this whole thing. It’s cool because I can do Trove tour vlogs, I can do advice vlogs at home. I can do just me and my wife hanging out for a week and all the stuff that we do. I just get to show people a little bit of my life and a little bit of my friends’ lives in the hopes that maybe they will also have goals to get out of the house and do stuff. Nowadays it’s so hard because you can sit home and watch the world from your couch and never get out and actually do it. So not only is this hopefully an inspiration for viewers to actually get out of the house and do it, but this is actually getting me out of the house and getting me to go do stuff. ‘Cause I’m really guilty of when I’m not on tour speaking, I’m so tired and I work so much, that I sometimes just veg out and listen to records all day. And I don’t leave. So this is getting me up and I have to go out and do adventures, you know what I mean? I get to experience things that aren’t necessarily what I do. I went on a fly fishing trip with my friend to get really good footage and it was amazing and peaceful, but I don’t fly fish, you know? I’m going on an opening weekend hunting trip, but I don’t hunt. But I’m going to go and film their lives. This is their passion. So it’s cool [that] I get to show my passion and their passion. It’s a win for everybody!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FFk7sR49o&t=43s
I think your presence on social media is so important because it shows people that you’re not just trying to sell an image – this is really who you are. You want to connect with people and hear their stories. You take the time to reply to comments and interact with as many people as you can. It goes a long way.
I can’t give my phone number out to everybody, so I think it’s a really cool way of keeping up with people and seeing the cool stuff they’re into, and they’ll tag me. You gotta know, if you send me a message, I don’t necessarily respond to direct messages because there’s no governing body or parent watching over this conversation to make sure it’s all good. But I do read everything, and I go through my inbox once a week and I’m in tears. I get inspired and it makes me want to do bigger and better things. I love social media because we get to all keep up with each other. You know, back in the day, if a photographer didn’t get your e-mail, you would never see these photos or videos. The world is so big, but it’s now so much smaller because of social media. I think that when used properly and correctly, it can be such a great tool to enrich your life and other people’s lives. I always make time to put my phone away and make time for being present and being in people’s lives, but I love getting on that thing and I love talking to kids and sharing photos and videos. I just truly love doing it. It blows me away that people care about some weirdo adopted kid from Boston. It blows me away that people care about what I do, and I think it pushes me to keep on doing stuff.
You have been very open about your own personal struggles with mental health and the fact that music and speaking to kids is what keeps you going and gives your life meaning. When you’re not on the road or on stage, how do you find the strength to stay so grounded and positive even when things go wrong? For example, when your car gets stolen?
I said this yesterday when I met up with the whole crew at the Air B’n’B and we were talking about the car being stolen. You know what, you know what’s real? Ten years ago, this would have broken me. Just getting my car stolen would have broken me. Ten years ago, I didn’t even have a car though. [laughs] So you gotta put things in perspective. I’m healthy and happy. My wife’s healthy and happy. My dog is healthy and happy. And adorable! And you know what, it’s just stuff. Really, honestly, [by] touring and playing music and seeing these kids, I just remember, okay, my car got stolen. But last Tuesday, I met this kid who has battled with addiction and an abusive family. But he graduated high school and went off to college, and I met him because he’s a junior leader somewhere. He’s trying to change the world even though the world has literally taken a crap on him. I remember those kids and I’m like, nah, I’m gonna be okay. It’s going to be good because we’re all here for each other. The second I put it on the internet, people are like, “How do I give you money? How do I donate to you? How do I give you stuff?” That alone, you just gave me it to me. That alone makes me feel so good. I know I’m not alone. It’s a really good feeling. You know, I have my wife and my best friends, and my parents, but it’s really, really good to know that if I ever needed it, I have an army of human beings at my back. Actually, even one time, an incident at a show happened and I was trying to break something up and some guy pushed me. I was like, “Hey man I’m just trying to help out and figure this out.” And he said, “What are you gonna do about it?” And literally, kids stood in front of me and they said, “Don’t touch Davey.” He was like, “What are you gonna do about it?” and I said, “I think it’s something that they’re all gonna do.” When I looked up, it was an entire show surrounding these dudes and telling them to leave. Girls, guys, 13 year-olds, 22 year-olds, all there. I was thinking, “Don’t cry, don’t cry, don’t cry!” It’s just amazing to know that there are people who care out there. Whether we ever meet or not, just to know that they feel it just like I feel it. That’s what keeps me going. That’s the thing that enriches my life so much. The car is gone, who cares? Maybe we’ll get another one or maybe we won’t. Maybe we’ll just ride bicycles everywhere. Who knows? But I do know that I’m happy, I’m healthy, and I’m alive.
After you initially dug yourself out of your depression, how did you learn to forgive yourself and forgive those around you who contributed to your pain?
That was the hardest thing ever is the forgiveness. Not of other people, [but] of myself. I don’t know if I’ve actually fully forgiven myself. Because I spent so many years taking from this world. I spent so many years wasting my time not fulfilling my life and enriching my life that I’m mad at myself for that. I always tell people when they ask why I do this, I say because I put so much negative into the world that I owe the rest of my life to put positivity back into the world. The people that wronged me and did these things, you know…I take a step back and I look at their life maybe from their perspective. The girl who had a child with somebody else, maybe there was something going on that I didn’t know about, and I later found out that there was. My parents who abandoned me and chose drugs. I’m sure they were struggling with something in their life and I got caught up in it. I was [just] a casualty of whatever was happening in their life. My father, who walked out on my family, he’s one of my best friends now. We were able to reconnect. The cool thing is that I was able to reconnect because my father saw things like Vanna and [other] stuff that I was doing. And I was doing it on my own. At some point, I made a choice. I was like, I don’t need you in my life. I’m a grown man. But I want you in my life. You know, I say things sometimes and I’m like, who am I?! Who just said that? I’m supposed to be angry and mad at the world, and I’ve become such a softy. Because at the same time as many people that did me wrong, during that time in my life, I did a lot of wrong to a lot of people. Going back to apologize to them, I put myself in other people’s shoes that wronged me. I was going through something and people were just a casualty of what I was going through. I don’t know if I will ever fully forgive myself, but I’ll always continue to work on who I am to just be a better dude. I don’t have kids, but I want kids and when I do have kids, I want to teach them [that] it’s okay to mess up. But you gotta take responsibility for who you are. And when I finally did that, I had the capacity to forgive other people and maybe start a little bit forgiving myself.
How did you overcome your fear of judgement when you first started sharing your story and what advice would you give to someone else who wants to share their story but can’t get past that fear?
Okay, so the first time I ever shared the story of…you know, the Davey story. I didn’t want to be the suicide guy or the depressed guy. I wanted to be the cool guy that everybody loved! That was never my path. I did this video for this organization called Hope For The Day, and it was a video called Music Saved My Life. I was talking to Johnny, the owner, about how music saved my life. I had told my story to people on a one-to-one level, but never publicly. Kids could tell cause of my lyrics that I maybe went through something. So I’m talking to Johnny and he was like, “We should do this series! It’s called Music Saved My Life. You gotta tell this story!” And I was like, “Yeah, Dawg! I’d love to!” Then we played Chicago that next day and I went downstairs to the Green Room and he had it all set up with cameras. He was like, “You ready?” And I’m like, “Oh, we’re actually doing this? We’re going to actually do this??” If you watch the video on YouTube, I can’t even look at the camera. But just doing that, I felt better. And then eventually I was speaking at different things. I grew up in a church, as kind of like a youth pastor kind of dude. So I’ve always been in front of people. I love being in front of people. But there’s a difference when you have five guys on stage with all this feedback and this craziness, and then it’s just you. For the first little while, I felt like I was just telling the story of my life, but I was wearing khakis and a button-up shirt. Then, I literally was late for a flight and tossed a bunch of t-shirts and jeans into a bag, got on a flight, got to my hotel, and was like I don’t have anything nice to wear. So I literally wore a Metallica shirt, jeans, and Converse, and I felt so comfortable. I got up on stage and it was the best speech I’ve ever given to date. And I was just like, I just need to be me. I just need to stop being afraid. I made that one jump and shared who I was, so [I needed to] make that other jump and fully commit to who this guy is. This is you, just be you. And once I was able to do that, I just literally don’t care [what people think]. I don’t know if people know this, but when I first started speaking at schools…I used to be a pretty bad dude back in the day, and if you were friends with me back then, I had a falling out with lots people and I did bad stuff, people did bad things to me. So people would be like, “THAT dude is giving advice to kids in schools? Are you kidding me?!” But my life had changed. There was a big middle section that was there. People made fun of me for doing this, friends straight stopped talking to me because they thought it was corny, but they didn’t even know what I really do. I don’t know what they thought I was doing, but I’m like, “Yo, I’m just in there talking about punk rock, man. That’s it.” I think it just took me getting up there and just being comfortable not having four other guys on the stage and feedback and mosh pits. You gotta look at it the same way as that though. I just looked at it as like an extension of a show. It’s just the same thing. It’s like talking in between songs, except I’m doing it for an hour. Once I got comfortable with my physical body and my presence on stage, I was able to say what I felt. And honestly, this is advice to anybody. It feels SO good to not care what people think about you and just live your life. It’s so freeing when you just don’t care anymore, you know what I mean. I now know what old people feel. They’re so old that they just don’t care! They dress however they want to dress and say what they want and eat what they want because they just don’t care anymore! It’s so liberating to be like if you think I’m corny, I don’t care. If you don’t like my t-shirt, I don’t care. Because I love myself and I love who I am. This generation of kids are the most real generation you have ever seen. They can see through BS so quickly. And when you just get up there and you’re authentic and you’re yourself, it doesn’t matter if you’re corny. I know I’m kinda corny. I’ve got dad jokes and stuff. But you know what, it’s who I am and I think that people respond to that.
Music is such a powerful force and there’s a strong sense of community to be found within any genre. However, I’ve always felt that the punk rock/hardcore community is extremely unique in that sense. What do you think makes this community so much stronger than others?
You know, I’m totally gonna throw myself back to being thirteen at Warped Tour. I can watch these bands on stage, I can hear the words they’re saying and know that they’re just like me. And then I can watch them walk off stage and watch them walk over to their merch table and I can go shake their hand. It’s amazing to see that. I don’t believe necessarily in heroes. I just feel like there are inspirational people. I think that you should be your own hero. Because at the end of the day, most heroes you build up in your head can let you down. But for you to be able to meet people who are heroic in your life, and have them be like, “I’m just a guy, I’m just like you.” It makes you think, “I can be this guy! I can be this dude!” When I met all these bands — MXPX and Green Day, and all these bands — and I shook their hands, being in this position now, I’m like do these bands remember me? Do they care? And now, I don’t remember people’s names, but I’ll remember a face and be like, “Yo, I met you in 2010 at this place in Chicago. We had a conversation about this.” Because I want these kids to know I could be you. I am no different than you. My guitar player is no different than you. We all can be the same. I think punk rock is just too real. It’s so real [that] there’s nothing to hide behind. I think sometimes it’s funny because at Vans Warped Tour, this big punk rock festival, everyone has buses and everyone stays in their buses. And I’m guilty of it too because I like air conditioning. But it’s refreshing to see those bands that get out of their buses and come hang out in the heat with the kids because they know that’s what it’s really about. They were one of those kids. It’s really strange because hip hop or arena rock or country, it can speak to people. It definitely speaks to people. In fact, I like a lot of those genres. But punk rock is just something that makes you believe that it is you and it can be you. It’s so very relatable and it just brings out all of the feelings that you have. And touring with those bands later on in life and getting to tour with some of the heroic people in my life and realizing that they are just broken people that picked up a microphone or a guitar and they did something about it. I’m like, yo that’s me! I can do it, too! So I think more than anything, punk rock is a family that is full of a hand-me-down tradition that this can be you, too.
Speaking of community, the sense of community felt at a Vanna show was truly unlike any other band, and I’ve literally seen hundreds of bands. Do you feel that Trove shows have that same feeling?
I get this question a lot. It’s like, what do you like better – Trove or Vanna? I think I realize it now that we’re not together. I always believed it when it was happening, but Vanna was something very special, and it had little to do with the five of us and more to do with the people that attached themselves to Vanna. They were the band. The crowd is the band. And you know, everything we’re doing is again, “I am you, you are me.” So I’m telling my story, but I’m also telling your story out here. I don’t know when it happened and at what point, but I was in the band for ten years and when I joined the band, that wasn’t the vibe we had right away. But over time, we just became a family. And not just the five of us, but everybody. We had some member changes here and there, but it didn’t matter. That presence was always there. Now with Trove, it’s funny because I’ve wanted to be in a band with all four of these guys forever. These are all dudes that have toured and been around the country and done it. And in making Trove out of the ashes of Vanna…which was like, by the way, we knew we were breaking up for a year and we planned it. We took our time with it and made sure it was done correctly. We still have a Vanna group chat that we talk in every single day, and we’re all still best friends. The cool thing about Trove is I started writing and doing stuff for Trove, and Vanna would be in the bus listening to it like, “Davey, this is awesome man. I love it.” The support was always there. So Trove was started with that family mentality right away. A little unknown fact that I said on my Instagram the other day is we did a cover of a Metallica song and we did a music video for it. There’s this solo in the song and Nick and Joel aren’t playing the solo. It flips around to two other guys that are playing the solo and those are the guys in Trove. And it was before Trove was a thing, but they’ve always been a part of our family. So Trove was started with this family mentality right away. You can already see at Trove shows. The kids that come over from Vanna and then radio rock people are there. And we start playing and they take a look around like something’s different here. And by the end of the show, I’ve literally seen kids up front grab people [to get them involved] like, “No, come over here!” And they don’t know the lyrics but they’re just there having fun. And Trove was started with that mentality. It’s really a blessing to be in a band with four dudes that get it and back it. Trove has now been playing conferences that I speak at. We’re trying to bring Trove to a different level that maybe we didn’t get to in Vanna. So to answer your question in a long form, the family unit has been carried over to Trove, and Trove is something special. If you watch me play in Trove, I don’t stop smiling the entire time. I sometimes miss notes and miss words because I’m smiling so much. You can tell I’m so happy. And all my friends that come out to see us on tour are like, “Dude I’ve never seen you happier on stage. This is insane.” So yeah, Trove is started with a lot of heart and lot of family, and I’m really grateful that I still get to do this.
You’ve written so many personal songs such as “Digging” which is about overcoming depression and suicidal thoughts, “Flower” about finding a new beginning through love, and the latest Trove song, “Foster,” is extremely personal as well. If you had to pick just one line or one verse, what do you feel are the most important lyrics you’ve ever written and why?
Wow. Well, I’ll first address “Foster.” I mean “Digging” and “Flower” were the most personal songs I’ve ever wrote, and “Digging” is one emotion, while “Flower” is another emotion. “Foster” is a letter to my family who gave me up. The whole theme of that song is like, you missed [out on] a really good guy. You gave up on a really good person. Because I love who I am, and I’m proud of who I am now. It’s my statement to them because I don’t know if anybody knows this, but they haven’t contacted me for thirty three years. Then this year they started contacting me and reaching out to me because apparently — I would not say my father — but the man who helped create me is sick and apparently dying. His mother is sick and apparently dying, and everyone was reaching out and trying to come at me for closure. They want me to forgive them and they want all this other stuff. And I’m like there’s nothing to forgive. I have a different life. I don’t know you, and I don’t owe you anything. So this was a letter, basically, that I wrote to them. I never sent it, but I wrote a song about it. My favorite line in that song is, “You’ll never get to see yourself in me.” Because that, I think, is the wish and dream of every parent when your kid grows up to see a little bit of yourself in that kid, and hopefully it’s the best parts of you that got to go into that kid. As generations go down, it passes the best parts down and down, and I hope that you can live with the fact that you’re never going to see that because my best parts don’t come from you. My best parts come from my mom. My best parts come from my stepfather, Bob. My best parts come from my aunt and uncle that were sitting here earlier. From fans, from my friends…not from you guys. And I hope that you guys can live with that.
Now as far as anything else goes with Vanna stuff, “Flower” is the most important song I think I’ve ever shared because… “Digging” is so important, it’s a turning point of my entire life, and that’s kids’ anthems and I don’t own that song anymore. We wrote that song and that’s not my song anymore. I don’t own it, it’s for everybody else. But “Flower” was a song that I never thought I would write because I never thought that I would find love. I never thought that I would find a person that made me feel better. If you connect with “Flower,” it doesn’t have to be about your girlfriend or wife or husband or boyfriend. It can be about a mom. It can be about anyone who gives you love to make you believe in yourself. You know a song means a lot to you when you can’t get through it without crying, and I have never played that song without crying. Never once. And every opportunity I get, if I can, I bring my wife out on stage and I slow dance with her every time. Then that opened up this entire thing where I wrote another song called “Massive” that’s on the Trove EP. I wrote another song about love, and I’m like, “I don’t write love songs! What’s going on?!” And obviously, I think the line in “Flower” is, “You gave me roots, you let me bloom.” In a life of no stability…I mean, I met my wife when I was twenty four years old…for a life of no stability for [almost] 25 years, I finally found stability. I finally found a person I can put roots in. She’ll foster those roots, and she’ll help me grow me into the person I’ve become. If I never met my wife, I would probably still be some junk dude on the side of the road. So I think, “You gave me roots, you let me bloom.” I don’t want a headstone when I’m dead. I want my ashes burned and spread all over the world, but if I had a headstone, that’s all it would need to say. And it’s taken on such a bigger meaning now. People are using it for their wedding song and getting it tattooed on them. I never in my wildest dreams thought that I would write a song that people would use for weddings, or even inspiration in their lives. I think that lyric right there is the most important thing. But because of that lyric, it helped me move on to stuff that I’m doing now and open my lyric writing up wholeheartedly.
There’s a saying out there – “don’t meet your heroes.” In your career, you constantly meet people who truly view you in that light – not just kids but adults as well. Do you ever find this intimidating?
Yeah, man! It’s like a lot of pressure, like I guess I can never mess up! But I think that if you know me and you’re a fan of Vanna or Trove or whatever. If you’ve been here with me, I think you know that I’m completely honest and open, and you know I’m not a perfect human being. You know I have shortcomings and you know I talk about those shortcomings. I still deal with stuff. I’m still on this journey, I’m still figuring this stuff out. The phrase, “Don’t meet your heroes” is true because a lot of times you meet your heroes and you realize that they’re just people. So with that being said, meet your heroes and realize they’re just people. Just like you and me. And I think maybe, hopefully, you’ll realize that you can be that too. Cause we have all these actors and musicians, and they’re so far removed. You feel like you know them but you don’t really because they deal with stuff all the time too. So my suggestion is actually, yes, meet your heroes and realize that they’re just human. Also, when a person messes up and they do something…we’re right now in a “call out” culture non-stop, where people are getting called out for everything little thing. I am very grateful that we are removing swine and filth from our lives and industries, but at the same time, when people do something and mess up, they need that opportunity to become a better person. So often we ask these people who do bad things, “Why aren’t you a better person? Be a better person!” We need to give them room to then go and be a better person and get better for themselves. I just think it’s important to remember that everybody struggles and that even your heroes are real people.
If you had to choose one album to cover in its entirety, what would it be and why?
Oh my God! Oh my God! One record to cover, cover to cover?! Crap! That’s harder than any of the mental health questions or anything else! I gotta go to the phone, I gotta look at Spotify and see what we’re dealing with here. I listen to a lot of different music. I think a lot of people would be surprised. My favorite record of all time is Graceland by Paul Simon. But, I don’t think I’d do a very good job covering that record so…you know what, Metallica – Black Album. Because I’m a big Hetfield fan, of his struggle, of his story, of his honesty. I love his voice. He’s got this raspy voice that’s not supposed to be in popular music, yet Metallica is one of the biggest bands ever, and I think James Hetfield is a really big part of that. Metallica has the greatest riffs of all time. So yeah, I think it would be the Metallica Black Album. That album was huge for me. Obviously it came out before I could be into it, but when I did get into it, it was a game changer for me. Plus, I do a really good Hetfield impression and I think I would kill that record.
Is there anything you’d like to share about the future of Shovel Brand or Trove?
We’ve got lots of stuff! So Shovel has got some cool moves we’re going to be making in the next year. We’re going to be better garments, more cut and sew stuff. More actual, real clothing. We’re realizing that these kids are burning through these clothes pretty quickly, and we need to up the quality. So we want to [make sure] kids gets sustainable pieces of clothing, so Shovel is going to move in a pretty cool direction soon. Some really exciting stuff is happening with Trove right now, full-length records, and tours. It’s pretty exciting. On next Sunday, we’re playing with Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson at this festival. Trove is just kind of happening organically and naturally and it just feels so cool to just be doing it. Lots of big stuff happening for Trove!
I am playing Warped Tour Boston! I’m gonna be doing a solo set with Vanna songs and Trove songs and covers because I have to be a part of Warped Tour for the last time. I’ve been going to Warped Tour since ‘99 until I started playing it, so I haven’t missed a Warped Tour since ‘99.
Are you having somebody film that, I hope?
Oh, I’m having a whole film crew come with me. Absolutely! And I’m gonna do a My Actual Dude episode there, too. So yeah, Trove is going to be playing conferences like this soon. My school year is already booked up for awhile, so we’re going to be bringing that stuff. I am going to start doing solo tours. I’m going to start doing these tours where I’m going to play acoustic-ish with some friends, I’ll have a full band. I’m going to do Vanna songs, Trove songs, and covers and then I’m also going to speak. So it’ll be about an hour where I tell my story and we play songs. Like VH1 Storytellers! I’m also going to start doing straight-up speaking engagements in clubs because not every kid is in high school and not everyone that wants to come see me can come to a high school. That’s my next two years. 2020 might have some stuff happen with a band I used to be in…who knows what the future holds?
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